This is a transcription of an interview I had with Saturn in Sag when he stopped by my office last week. Papa Saturn gets a new bag on just before midnight (EST) on December 19th. He comes home to roost in Capricorn, his first time in nearly 30 years. We’ll talk about his Capricorn digs next week. But I wanted to sit down with the planet of “Sit Yo Ass Down!” myself while he was still in a Saggy frame of mind. I’ve written about his journey through Sagittarius before here. That was a quick take. This is meatier.
Sam: Thank you for trudging out to speak with me before you push up the Capricorn mountain.
Saturn: No problem at all. Trudging is what I like to do. After all, if people didn’t trudge, we wouldn’t evolve. That’s how everyone got here after all, right?
Sam: I suppose so. What were you hoping to teach us during your sojourn through Sagittarius?
*blank face, then lots of blinking*
Saturn: Listen, I was trying to get home to Capricorn and Sagittarius is just on the way. I’m not as generous of mind and spirit as Jupiter, who has Sagittarius as his home. I don’t know what I was trying to teach. Let’s go instead with what did you learn?
Sam: Well, I believe we learned how…
Saturn: I ain’t ask you that. What did YOU learn? Maybe that’s half the problem with folks now as I see it. You all assume you’re a “we” when you’re more “me,” “you,” “us” and a “them.” When I did see a rare “we,” it was always a smaller cluster of folks who seemed to look, act or think alike. So, again, let’s keep it real…and small. What did you learn?
Sam: Uh, I learned how to be more responsible for my body and my own mind.
Saturn: How old are you again?
Sam: I just turned 50.
Saturn: That’s what I remembered. Come again, and do better. Drop the psycho-pep babble. You didn’t know how to be responsible for your own body and mind before you were 47? C’mon!
Sam: Okay. I got better at setting boundaries and now feel more grounded in my humanist roots. I also uprooted myself from a location where I suppose I was stuck in a rut. I wasn’t growing.
Saturn: Yeah, that’s better. Right, you moved after 17 years in Brooklyn. Was time for a change. You were trying to bullshit me just now. If I teach anything, I teach people not to do that.
Sam: So, if you weren’t trying to teach anything while in Sagittarius, then what did you observe?
Saturn: I observed that when beliefs become more real than the people and places in front of you, you tend to treat each other badly. Yet, overall your ideas are bolder when I’m in Sag. You want to do more, like in 1988 when we see the beginnings of what became the world wide web. Or the launching of Sputnik in 1957. You must all sense the divide you create and want to bridge it.
Sam: So, how do you think we can make those bridges? Or how are we doing at building those bridges?
Saturn: There you go with that “we” mess again. *stops sniggering* Okay, real talk? You all suck at building real bridges. You’ll need protocols. Infrastructure. Systems in place. Again, lots of good ideas. Perhaps too many. I mean Jupiter does talk too damn much. So, it’s not hard to believe that there’s a lot of talk, even for me, in his sign. That’s why I guess it’s a good I’m coming home to Capricorn.
Sam: What’s good about it?
Saturn: Maybe you all will start building bridges for the widening gaps you have between each other.
Sam: That would be good. Is there anything else you’d like to say before we close out the interview and you get back to moving out of Sagittarius?
Saturn: Sure. I’m always a reminder to work rather than to take things for granted. With me in Sagittarius, no one should take “home” for granted. “Home-making” is an ongoing adventure.
Sam: I like that. I even hear a little bit of Jupiter in that sentiment!
Saturn: Whatever. Is we finished or is we done?
Sam: And I guess a little Birdman* here, too.
Saturn: Yeah, a moment of true inspiration for the both of us there.
Sam: I suppose, then, we’re finished.
Saturn: Yes, you and I are. Good luck with that “we” business.
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Weeks ago, perhaps you thought you’d be able to scream from the rooftops once crusty Saturn left your sign. But perhaps all you can let out now, at the end of your solar season, is a whimper. Some part of you might grudgingly miss the grave gas giant in your sign. Once he moves on into Capricorn, you’ll have to own your fears as completely your own. But that was always true. You just threw that fear elsewhere like a ventriloquist throws her voice. Don’t let the fear get you down. You know better now how to navigate around your personal fears than you realize. Have faith.
I have more of an informed faith now than ignorant fears.
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Your emotions might feel a bit all over the place. At the top of the week, you might feel sad or sullen for no reason. Feel those feelings. Don’t fight them. But don’t take them too seriously. Don’t worry that they’ll spoil your upcoming solar birthday season. It’s very likely by the end of the week that you’ll feel more grounded and solid. Again, for no discernible reason. You’ll need to stay hooked into those feelings, though. Gird yourself for more. Like a mountain goat, you have mountains to climb ahead. You’ll need to feel girded for that.
I choose to hold on to the feelings that best prepare me to climb the mountains I need to climb now.
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Your sign is often described as the humanitarians of the Zodiac. But that also reminds me of an old phrase: “I love humanity; it’s people I can’t stand.” As Saturn prepares to leave the area of the heavens that spells out how you connect to groups, friends, and associates, you might reflect more on your connection to others. You’re probably not half the misanthrope that adage declares. But perhaps over the last 2.5 years, you’ve learned to clarify boundaries and discipline your ego. People might have gotten MORE on your nerves than in years past. That doesn’t mean you should have learned to silence your ego, especially through isolation. Just the opposite. If that’s what you feel, you might have missed a key lesson.
I honor my increased ability to clarify boundaries and rein in my ego with friends, associates, and groups without cutting myself off.
Take a good look now at your achievements over the last 2.5 years. Some tend to dwell on misfires and weaknesses when asked to do this. It’s okay for those to surface, too. But pay more attention to how you’ve accomplished what you have done. Have you developed a better understanding of when to be flexible and when to be firm? Those two qualities often come up when speaking about success. If you embrace them as essential to your evolution, you’ll find the right mixture, eventually.
I am increasingly better at finding the right mixtures of flexibility and firmness for my success.
Perhaps the greatest lesson Saturn had to share with you while in Sagittarius was not to wear your feelings and your smarts on your sleeves. You’re often earnest and direct. But you might have the naïve belief that any problem just needs a good solution, and all will be well. But you also need wisdom to know when and with whom to drop knowledge. Or such knowledge just ends up landing on its head and heavy on your heart. If only the world could be as straight a shooter as you. Yet, stodgy Saturn in the sign of the archer was here to remind you that much of the world isn’t.
I know better when and with whom to share my knowledge and energy.
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As an Earth sign, you might often think about durability—your own, others and that of your possessions. Yet, you also must balance those thoughts against your love for instant gratification. So, yeah, sometimes you want your cake and to eat it, too. As Saturn leaves Sagittarius, perhaps you’ve learned that you can do that. Just not all at once. You’ve had to alter or stretch your definition of instant. But don’t you dare think you should shun the gratification part. Don’t postpone your pleasure for too long. That also doesn’t work. Keep your eye on the sweet prizes. Just don’t trust too many fast ways for getting them. Those could come at great cost.
I am wiser and more patient for how I fulfill my pleasures and desires.
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I picture you celebrating Saturn’s departure out of Sagittarius the hardest. Perhaps you think he embodies every unwarranted downturn you’ve experienced in the last few years. You might have even conned yourself into thinking that when he leaves that you only have brighter days ahead of you. A new job! A gorgeous new lover! Better friends! But that’s all bullshit and you know it. Your obstacles were never about denying things due to you. They could never determine your worthiness. They were to hone and sharpen your desires and character. It was to make sure that not every single one of your fleet-footed thoughts were borne out in the world. It was to keep you and the rest of us sane. It was a test of how well you’re willing to seize the authority of you being you being your irrepressible self, without apology or fear. Now, perhaps you can live without the fear or the blame.
I know that my obstacles are tools for my improvement & development.
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You might miss Saturn when he leaves Sagittarius. You likely got your “act” together in more ways than you could count. You might not have even thought that some parts of your life were raggedy beforehand. You likely got better in translating good ideas into better practices. Of course, it wasn’t easy since change can seem like a four-lettered word to you unless you’re speaking about your moods. They say that the devil is in the details. But you probably know that a god is there, too.
I am grateful for the opportunities I’ve had to translate good ideas into better practices.
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Perhaps you thought you truly owned your own pleasure and creativity 2.5 years ago before Saturn went into Sagittarius. Now, you likely see how wrong you were. Pop-icon Madonna, a Leo, once said, “Poor is the man whose pleasure depends on the permission of another.” You were likely seeking permission that no one else could give you satisfactorily. You might have been waiting for a divine sign. Well, you have it now, and you’re it. Soon comes the next part: to maintain and improve how you own more of your pleasure and creativity daily. It’s up to you whether it’s hard or easy.
I am now more of the divine sign I once sought for more creativity and pleasure in my life.
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You’re naturally cautious. But Saturn’s jaunt through Sagittarius has probably shown you how better to be careful. That probably came from shrinking your external interests, getting back to basics, and sticking closer to a comfort zone, perhaps even literally at home. There was a reason for that. You likely wanted to usurp all your assumptions to find what really matters. You had to learn to be careful like someone crossing the street who’s diligently looking out for cars, both ways. But who almost stumbles into a huge pothole beneath her. But that’s not so you can breed fear or stay out of “the street.” Just the opposite. Now, you can think about more with no blinders on.
I am more aware and full of care now because I have freed myself of baseless assumptions.
Allow me to de-mystify the “Law of Attraction” just a tad. It’s no big, mystical secret that your language determines how you see reality. If you look at a glass as half-empty, then chances are you’re focused on lack or emptiness. Vice-versa if it’s half full. It’s all a matter of what you prefer. Yet, preference does matter for what you ultimately get, and that’s probably been one of the key lessons for you while Saturn’s been in Sagittarius. That’s not something that happens just once. It happens every day with how you think and talk about your life, yourself, with yourself and to others. If you’ve been working on that, then you’ve spoken some of your reality into existence. Soon, as Saturn heads to Capricorn, you’ll have to roll up your sleeves and make more of that stick.
I think and speak worlds into existence like a scriptural god/dess.
“Scorpios are passionate and intense,” is an oft-repeated phrase in astrology books and pop articles on your sign. Yet, Saturn in Sagittarius has been all about you learning to make your passion and intensity work for you, to stockpile them into more dollars and cents. That probably has been the hard part. You first had to figure out what your passionate about and what intensity really means. (I don’t allow my students to use intense for Scorpio when describing the sign. Too overused. Might be better to say you have strong focus with heightened emotion, for example.) Passion and heightened emotional focus don’t mean jack without plans, methods, or control. It’s just as important to engineer a vehicle for all the fuel (passion, etc.) you have. Now that you’ve learned to discipline and structure your fabled passion and intensity, they can get you closer to where you want to go.
I know better how to discipline my passion and emotional focus to work tangible results for me.